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Interesting others piped up, I was thinking maybe I was the only 1 on mine. They just ignore me.
100% MrCautious, the 1500 was purely fabricated as were the results, we could never have withdrawn the 1500. The profits are a sprat to catch a Mackerel.
When I Look back they have completely manipulated me, all I wanted to do was trade stocks and shares, the small amount of crypto I won had me opening an account to deposit the winnings and next I’m knee deep in 55k of crypto, now worth 43 (I think it’ll come back).
I see now why they insisted on me having a self custodial wallet because there’s no way Barclays or even Coinbase would have let me transfer any money into QOC. The only way that was ever going to fly was with a wallet, transfering crypto.
Very clever tbh but this last push is very thinly camouflaged….as long as we dont tell anyone!
I genuinely think I may have still been in if I hadn’t have heard other people thinking the same thing and started digging away.
All the above is a fairly good summary.
I can add a bit more info to this today. I contacted PGIM directly and spoke with them. They came back to me and confirmed:-
I have checked with relevant parts of the business and can confirm that we have no affiliation with this company. Thanks again for flagging this up to us. We are escalating this up to our compliance team.
They actually have a website alert page dedicated to scam companies using their company name to add credibility.
Just have a Google yourself and you’ll find it and also call them. I can post a link but it might be better if you do it yourselves. No doubt some helpful soul just passing will come up with some reason why this is inconsequential and how it makes them laugh 🙂
This, plus all the above and the absence of regulation would surely make PFIT worthless at some point?
As I said before, if 40k of us put 1000 of our own money in that’s 40 million dollars. That’s surely worth it big style??
I’m gutted, I was really hoping it was legit. I made good returns early on but the last few
ANET dropped 10% on signal day (only 2% down now), WPM dropped 10% on signal day and stayed there and HIVE is only 8% down. All 3 were top of the market at the time.I got burnt with ANET and swerved the others.
Good luck to you Andries, that was a massive leap of faith to deposit 20k and get it out but Im afraid I dont share your conviction and 40 million is definitely worth it.
Sorry, just seen it’s 2000 you have to put in now, so 80 million!
Good luck if you carry on people!
Yes, it sounds like a novice trying to whip up panic for sure. I’ve got the attention of about 20 people 🙄🙂. However, those participating who have been part of it have confirmed my suspicions, so thank you for the input everyone.
The more learned amongst us are quite welcome to get involved. It’s called PFIT and it’ll be worth 10 times what it is now you know. Only available on the QOC platform that they own. Sorry to have mislead you all 🙂
The motive of the scam is to gain your trust and eventually blindly follow their advice, which has ended up being to invest in a brand new token on a completely unregulated platform, that they own.
They have issued assurances that the QOC platform is regulated and licensed and THEY sent out this link that they state a company with a similar name is on
https://www.fincen.gov/msb-state-selector
This is just a registry. No form of license or regulation.
It even says in the third paragraph :-
Fraudsters are attempting to steal money by claiming to be an MSB “approved” or “endorsed” by FinCEN. These criminals mislead people by telling them it is safe to send funds to or invest in a business, simply because it is listed on FinCEN’s MSB Registrant Search website. FinCEN does not approve or endorse any business that has registered as an MSB. Any such claim and similar claims are false and may be part of a scam.To be clear, that is cut and pasted OK.
The platform needs to be MTL approved on a state by state basis to be regulated.
I hadn’t realised until I got involved how widespread it is. It’s the principal of pump and dump or a Ponzi scheme. Maybe there is no such thing but search it up yourself. We are talking multiple WhatsApp groups across Europe, not a handful of people on a single WhatsApp. They state they have 40k participants, similar to the 32k Telegram subscribers they have. So even if we just invested 5k each, that is going to move a medium cap stock price.
The whole idea of the thread was to voice concerns and many people have done that and hopefully we have saved a few people from losing their money.
However, in true British style (and I do agree we should all be heard)this all may be wrong and it’s a great opportunity. Make you own mind up. I’ve been in it from the start and my only caveat would be, don’t put any of your own money onto their platform, unless you are prepared to lose it all. Of course, if you feel this all seems unbalanced, then fill your boots 🙂
Yeah for sure Yomkor, Lukas has even answered on Sebatians’s number before.
All of their LinkedIn and Facebook pages haven’t got history beyond a few months. Completely fabricated, as are a lot of the WhatsApp characters.
I received the 1500 today and the Pinnacle flo generated several profitable trades and some not, it did seem a bit of a box of frogs, with seemingly real people having issues when it wasn’t working, like I did. They did seem real. The trades were small and generated 1 to 3 % profit with 5% draw down, which surprised me because that is what you should be doing with a Forex account. It was less profitable than the manual trades which surprised me again. They explained why that would happen. Its more prudent. They are hammering away to not use the 1500 for our own purposes which again has surprised me because I dont think they are actually placing the trades outside the QOC platform that they own….so no money leaves ultimately. It was pretty good theater though…
I did manage to withdraw some money from QOC plus but it is proper, proper hassle and I imagine this with be the rub, it had to be reviewed and agreed…. it was my money?? Any large withdrawal will not happen and I think the biggest hit will be if we all buy PFIT, they be millions up.
The stock tips have completely gone stale or tanked or just aren’t mentioned. They refer to some that have already been sold.
My only exposure at the moment is my ID, which is no longer in date. I won’t be depositing a penny into QOC though, it stinks.
If there was a bit of software that was as successful as that seemed today, then I still don’t think that many retail traiders would be departing with 80k of their own money to invest in it, you would really have to ramp up your deposit to near 100k to earn 2 or 300 a day. Only on some sort of subscription basis for sure and ONLY on a legit platform.
Yeah, I think you are right on Optimist.
Latest stock tip was advice to buy WPM, again at the highest price its ever been and what followed was a 10% drop in 2 hours. Classic pump and dump. They are cashing in now, I think we’re close to the end game.
The WhatsApp has now just become a full-out marketing campaign for PFIT, which, unlike the rest of the crypto in the world is actually going up massively lol
Short answer: There are strong red flags — I’d treat NDAEnext as suspicious and potentially a scam until you can verify otherwise.
What I found (most important bits)
Independent review sites explicitly call NDAEnext an advance-fee / withdrawal scam and warn users not to pay additional “fees” or taxes because withdrawals may be blocked.
Multiple Reddit threads and user posts warn people not to trust NDAEnext, reporting the usual scam behaviour (hard or impossible withdrawals, “exclusive” offers, etc.).
I dont think any of these Apps are causing any issues yet, so no reason why they wouldn’t be on the app or playstore but as happened to my friend, when he tried to extract his 100k from a similar platform, they just said no and shut him out of the account.
The issue with them, is that they are NOT FCA registered in the UK or SEC regulated in the US, it doesn’t take long to prove this, search for yourself??
This does not necessarily mean they are fraudulent but it does mean that your money is at very high risk, basically you have no recourse if they don’t want to give you any of your money back.I suggest for all those that supplied ID to invest in anti fraud software that tracks your credit activity for loan applications etc.
I enjoyed their latest error last night, the Admin changed the settings so admin only could post messages and the main people who talk constantly about PFIT kept carrying on with their glowing expectation of how many times PFIT will grow, even though no non admin were supppost to be able to post anything 🫠
One person tonight said they were going to transfer 10% of their assets into PFIT 😂. Its 100 percent promoting crypto and PFIT now.
I shouldn’t make light of this though, some people are going to really get turned over, it’s a classic Ponzi scheme.
I Spoke too soon.
Buy ANET at 155 to 160, that’s the highest it’s been…ever.
Then at 4 oclock a massive sell off
Short answer: this looks exactly like a pump-and-dump pattern and you should treat it as a possible scam. I’ll explain the evidence, what to do next (step-by-step), and how I can help you investigate further.
Why this looks like a pump-and-dump
Big, rapid price movement with no identifiable news + unusually high volume is a classic marker of coordinated buying then dumping. Arista showed large intraday swings and higher-than-normal volume over the days you mentioned (example: Oct 13 intraday range $162 → $145 and volume well above average).
Regulators and market bodies have recently warned that WhatsApp / social chat groups are being used to organise pump-and-dump schemes (promote a buy, get retail members to buy, then promoters sell). That’s exactly the behaviour you described.
Yes, that’s an old one, there’s several still bubbling away.
To be fair, there is a new one this morning. First since 30th Sep.
The quality of the stock picks is outstanding, no one has said a bad word about them, they have been spot on. That’s not the issue though is it?
On our WhatsApp there have been no new stock picks since 30th of September.
However everyday there is the relentless suggestion to buy their crypto PFIT.
Although one lucky person won 0.5 Bitcoin on their lottery, about £42k…I think it may have been a lucky bot though
Ah Jamie, I dont know, that was always going to be the rub at some point, actually getting funds to go the other way!
Please share if you manage it.
I was still optimistic until I found you all on here, I so wanted it to be OK. I respect Barclays for grilling the hell out of me now, describing exactly what was happening. Glad I didn’t deposit into QOC.
I have got a load of the main crypto coins and I presume they will appreciate again at some point.
For right Scott, Ive done really well out of their tips,
I would pay good money for that to carry on!
I suppose if they get enough people to buy the PFIT, then that’s their pay day?
Did anyone get selected to trial the software on Monday? I assume it’s only the plants that get the places? Defo, the 2 on my group who have said they have an invite are Bots, 100%.The bloke Twixxy suggested looks like a good call, I’m going to reach out.
My gut is there must be decent AI out there that does all the strategising for us??