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Andy,
I appreciate your scepticism but frankly it doesn’t matter to me.
You’re just slapping labels on things and nothing you’ve said has any real substance.
The fact is those posts with the FCAT and PGIM email addresses have been deleted.
If I’m mistaken then why were those email addresses you lot shared taken down?
The deletion of those email addresses is the most compelling evidence there is.This is precisely what I was referring to regarding information rights observer mechanisms and confidentiality agreements.
Those who understand these matters will grasp the core logic of what I’m saying. You clearly don’t.
Use your head.I am also involved with the new 3 month trial , I’ve emailed PPCP asking if they know the 3 names that run my group and they’ve emailed back and confirmed that there all legit and associated with the pinnacleFlow system European division , my only concern is if the people on my WhatsApp and telegram group are the real ones or impersonator’s.
I’ve also checked on PPCP website and they mention the PFIT and the PinnacleFlow system so it’s looking legit to me .I have been kicked out for asking why they keep changing their mobile numbers on WhatsApp? Lina, Lukas and Sebastian have been removed multiple times from the Euronext X2 forum. Why? There is only one person linked to PPCP ltd and that’s on the sec application form. OLUWASEYI OLANREWAJU OLAWALE.
I’ve also been part of the new 3 month run but today pulled. I had already resigned to the fact i’d lost my investment of 2000USDC but to my suprise on requesting a withdrawal it was finally sent but I suspect because of the following dialogue with Lina. In short she has a answer to most things but the one question outstanding is why so many platforms, QOCPLUS, GPCmax NDAe Pro. Read into the below and make your own decision. I’m out for now until I’m convinced otherwise not to be.
Qubic808:
Hi Lina, I’m keen to increase my capital from 2000 USDC to 10000 USDC before Monday trading. I can see how this increase will greatly improve my final balance come end of January through compounding investment. If we make just 3% 5 days a week then that means I will take in about $52000 as opposed to my initial of about $5800. That said, this is a big investment for me increasing to $10k so I want to make sure I can still withdraw from the QOC platform like we did the original funds that I put in. I’ve requested a release of all my QOC funds to my wallet. Assuming these are reviewed and released without caveat I’m keen to deposit back in 10k to make a better return.Hi Lina, my withdrawal has been completed. Before I reinvest is there any chance we can grab a video call? I want to ascertain who you are. If possible also are you able to provide a picture of yourself with your passport like I did when registering with QOC. There are a lot of site groups that suggest Pinnacle is a long play scam. Given my funds have just been returned after review it’s hard to confirm that this would be the case. There are items I need need ticked off on my list. The above video call. I also want to understand why there are several apps for the exchange. For example QOC, GPCmax and NDAEpro. Additionally there are a number of cryptos that don’t exist on any other exchanges PLXR and PLQ just being two examples. Look forward to talking Monday via video. Regards, Nick
Lina Pinnacle Flow:
You can handle deposits and withdrawals at any time. If you encounter any issues, please feel free to contact meQubic808:
I think the second message is important for me.Lina Pinnacle Flow:
Regardless of the amount of funds, all profits are generated strictly by following the instructions.
As for the concerns you mentioned, honestly, I completely understand that there are all kinds of voices online. We live in an era of extremely widespread information, where everyone can express their opinions. So whether it’s a company or an individual, as long as they are growing, they will inevitably be surrounded by differing opinions. This is actually quite normal.
Look, when Bitcoin and Ethereum first appeared, they were criticized by the mainstream market as scams or bubbles. And now? Time has proven everything. Projects that were once doubted have now become core assets in the entire financial world.
Therefore, I don’t pay too much attention to some of the opinions circulating in the market. I trust time, trust facts, and focus more on the value we can create for our users. In the end, what truly proves something is not what others say, but what you see, experience, and genuinely feel yourself.
I hope you can judge through your own observation and experience, rather than being influenced by online comments. After all, the truth usually belongs only to those who take the time to understand and practice it personallyQubic808:
Yeah sure I get the above. I would however like a meeting with you to make sure I’m really investing with Lina along with a passport. With regards to the multi platforms and crypto that we have traded to date what is your response there?Lina Pinnacle Flow:
First of all, I believe there’s absolutely no problem with having a voice or video call – it’s a great way to ensure that communication is genuine and effective.
However, regarding personal documents such as passports, those are highly sensitive and private information, which I personally cannot provideThe identification documents you submitted for verification on the platform are encrypted and stored directly by the system, and reviewed by the official verification team. We have no access to, nor can we view, any of your verification details
This approach is specifically designed to protect all users’ account security and privacy, preventing any information leaks or misuse.
So please rest assured that all our communication and cooperation take place under compliant and secure conditionsQubic808:
Great I think a video call is a good start. Can you comment on other app interfaces GPCMAX and NDAE pro and lastly coins that don’t exist other than in your QOCPLUS exchange.Out of interest, have Lukas, Sebastian and yourself thought about doing a scheduled video call for some of the knowledge base transfers. It would go a long way I think to those who are still on the fence but are considering joining.
Lastly do you have any software developer roles going. I would be keen to join your company if you are hiring.
Lina Pinnacle Flow:
I completely understand your concerns, but as I mentioned earlier, some things can only be truly appreciated through personal experience.Regarding the video tutorials you mentioned – we’ve actually considered that. However, due to the large number of participants, their wide distribution, and different time zones, we ultimately decided not to implement them. We have to balance everyone’s learning pace and ensure long-term sustainability. In comparison, written materials are more flexible, easier to save, record, and review repeatedly. Many participants have gradually developed their own understanding and strategy systems through continuous reading and practice.
After all, real growth never comes from being taught – it comes from doing, step by step.
As for the token issue you mentioned, you may already know that some tokens are indeed listed on other exchanges; it’s just that you may not have come across them yet. Meanwhile, some projects in their early stages choose to launch exclusively on specific platforms – this is quite common in the industry. For example, BNB was initially only tradable within Binance, but as the project grew and the ecosystem expanded, it gradually became available on other exchanges.In addition, what we mainly do is short-term contract trading, not long-term holding or analyzing the fundamentals of coins. The core of short-term trading lies in capturing market fluctuations, improving success rates, and amplifying profits.
This is exactly where the PinnacleFlow Intelligent Trading System excels – its AI analyzes real-time market data, technical patterns, and capital flows to automatically identify potential opportunities and execute strategies
In other words, our goal isn’t to “find which coins can be traded,” but to let the AI “find which market movements can generate profit.” That’s the core logic of the entire system and the key to our continued successQubic808:
I can appreciate the above. Lastly why all the various platformsNDAe Pro GPXmax and QoC
Please note, my opening paragraph was a defensive one. I am assuming greed breads greed and thus I sow the seed that if all goes well with my withdrawal of funds it will give me belief that the system is legitimate. It needs to be said that my withdrawal was in a review/frozen stage for 5 hours or right up until Lina replied. I can only assume both her reply and release of funds are intrinsically tied or just perfectly timed. I suspect the lewer of more money to be invested was the attraction here.
So, one of the ‘stock tips’ we were given in our WhatsApp group, hit the S/L position and closed on me. Loss was small, but the instructions were that they would cover any losses. So I provided the information and was told that they would cover the losses through providing ‘trading signals’ that would guarantee a return. The only catch; I had to put money into NDAE, in order to trade on the ‘trading signals’ and recover my loss from the original stock tip.
I can only assume, that the fact some people are able to take some profit and withdraw funds, is sufficiently creating a build up of mass in purchase of the so called PFIT token, that when they hit a critical mass point they are aiming for, and when they hit it, it’s a rug pull.
Have a look on the official website , it would appear the company has good intentions, what w3 need to confirm is are the people running the WhatsApp groups legit .
Copdog,
The website feels a bit like a template site if I’m honest. The font of the logo seems amateurish and the content could be from any site (looks AI generated actually).
Plus, take the address on the website and put it into google maps. Then look at the building’s directory. PPCP are not listed at all, which would seem odd, for a financial advisory firm not to ensure they are front and centre of their building’s directory.
Is anyone familiar with the Futures trading pairs and associated coins that they tend to focus on for contract trading? BZTC/USDC and VYON/USDC in particular?
Following their trading advice, I have lost 20% on stocks and 18% loss on crypto, so even as a scam it’s 5h1t advice.
That’s hilarious! Everyone seems to be minting money in the stock market; you’re the only one I’ve heard admitting to a loss. I can barely fathom how someone could be so dim as to lose money!
I have been following the PPCP group for some time and I believe it is catagorically a very clever scam. So there are obviously several group with various ‘Professors’ and assistants plus trading platforms. The group that I have has Halyna as the ‘assistant’ who I have spoken to and have had a video call with so they seem to be a real person not just AI or a guy in Africa. However the red flags I have seen are as follows…
1. The actual website ppcp official is not an official website does not mention the ‘pinnacle flow 5.0’. So whoever is citing that is obviously part of the scam. To they are using the logo of PPCP and also using the names of the people employed but this has nothing to do with the company.
2. The app you are asked is called NDAE NEXT – they use the logo of NDAE EXCHANGE – but this has nothing to do with NDAE EXCHANGE and just uses the NDAE logo. I believe this is a scam app and set up so they can control everything and potentially rug pull at some point when enough of the ‘investors’ money has been placed in it. If you read the information relating to NDEA next it sounds like a load of AI generated nonsense.
3. The recommendations of stocks were sometimes good, sometimes not good but quite hit and miss.
4. Why do the administrators and Michael Alexander have so many mobile phone numbers associated in the group – Haylna something like 5 or 6 different numbers.
5. If this was real why would this company be recruiting random punters on line and training them up. The would test an AI system using AI.
6. The scam uses cup and ball techniques of clearly people involved in the scam making comments in the chat to back up the scam and create FOMO.
7. if something is too good to be true it generally is. The returns they are suggesting are not viable.
8. PFIT coin not listed anywhere else and has very little exposure anywhere on the internet apart from a couple of scammy paid for articles.
9. The main people in the scam have no internet presence on linkedin or facebook etc.I believe this is a multi dimensional scam. First they get people hooked in and get them to buy the scam PFIT coin which is worthless, but keeps on going up and up to get people more hooked in to buy more. They then get you to put your money into a scam platform that they control. My theory is there will be a rug pull moment where the whatapp group will vanish along with the platform and the money.
I have reached out to a couple of people in the group but it is hard to know if they are involved in the scam or just hooked into it. Either way the people are so far down the rabbit hole they don’t want to know and I cannot help them.
For your information Halyna is a real person but looks similar but much older to her AI generated image. I believe she is based in Russia not in California as she states.
to date, lost 18.6% on their crypto advice and 22% on shares. So much for their “system”
scam or no, it’s just shit adviceMy mentor is called Elena
The app I use is called GPC , I message a fair few people who certainly aren’t bots , people are making a fortune if it’s true , the website I found does mention everything but I can’t tell if it’s legit
I’ve sent them emails to the correct email address and they’ve replied
They also claim the have no control over the GPC lite app which I believe, I’ve moved funds both ways on a few occasions without any questions
The amount of info the professor gives out each night is impressive
If it’s a scam it very well organised, you only need $1000 of PFIT which isn’t enough to warrant this amount of time and energy for it to be the main focus in my opinion.
There’s also a requirement to deposit 20% of all profit back into PFIT which is reasonable when you see the huge profits people are making every single single day.
I’ve emailed the company which uses the same address in California to ask if this company is actually in in the same building.
To date I’ve not actually heard of anybody that’s been scammed by this organisation so it’s all speculation at the moment but it does seem too good to be true.I agree, as to yet nobody has been scammed that I am aware of. I have personally made very good returns and have been able to withdraw from the platform on every occasion that I have tried to date.
It cannot be ignored that there are so many inconsistencies, disconnects and red flags that it is hard to believe that it is not a scam of some nature, or at the very least a front. I have however (by quite some margin now) taken more out of all of this than I have put in (safely stored where no scammer can reach it), so I participate with a lightness of heart. If my misgivings turn out to be misplaced I will be pleasantly surprised by humanity and will apologise profusely to anyone who cares to listen.
Thanks Andries
How long have you been involved ?
I am only a couple of weeks in
I’ve asked PPCP by email if I can have the professors email address , at least then we could find out if he is actually involved with our groups rather than an imposterAfter reading your words, I can’t help but feel that your investment experience is still rather limited. At the very least, anyone with real market experience wouldn’t hold such a contradictory mindset.
If you truly are an experienced investor, then I must say your attitude doesn’t seem very fitting for investing. On one hand, you’ve made considerable profits from an investment, yet on the other, you mock it simply because it’s been going too smoothly, that in itself is quite contradictory.
Frankly speaking, there’s something rather ironic about it. I suspect your past investment experiences may not have gone as you wished, which could explain why you see things this way.
PGIM Quantitative Solutions have messaged me through LinkedIn saying they are not affiliated at all to PPCP. They are advising it’s a scam
I responded because I was a witness in the PPCP group.
What is your basis for this? Are you in the group? You can send your number; I believe you are from another company.
lost 35% on substantial investment into BMNR after following their advice. SH1t advice from scammer company.
To begin with, I’ve carefully reviewed all the comments. May I ask — has anyone actually confirmed that they’ve been defrauded by this company?
From what I can see, most users have successfully withdrawn their funds, and there’s little evidence supporting the claims made by so-called conspiracy theorists
Yes, investment advice may not always be perfect — that alone does not justify labelling a platform or its team as fraudulent.
Markets are inherently volatile, and given that the entire financial landscape is currently in a downturn, blaming the platform entirely reflects a questionable mindset. One has to wonder — what’s the motive behind such accusations?Logically, the argument simply doesn’t hold. If someone genuinely profited from the platform, why would they turn around and try to discredit it?
Such behaviour is not only irrational, but frankly, quite distasteful. At times, the darker side of human nature can be truly unsettlingI must confess to being one of the fools who fell for this. I’m currently part of what they are calling the final 3 month stage before launching the AI trading platform. I did have my suspicions but greed and an easy way out of current difficulties allowed me to convince myself that it might possibly be legit. I thankfully only invested $1600 which was all I had and am trying to claw that back by small withdraws that hopefully don’t raise an eyebrow their end. It is definitely too good to be true as have a 100% success rate and already (technically) made $4000 but am sure it is just a figure and I will not be able to remove it.
Has anyone tried taking money out and been blocked and if so what was the limit/threshold that triggered their stop mechanism?
Any info would be very gratefully received.
Thank you
Good Evening Bismark
I’ve taken funds out a few times with no issues, they claim to have no control or access to the trading app , and without you giving them the details I can’t see how they would , who is your contact ? Mine is Elena
Why do you think it is a scam , have you lost anything ?
I took 13000 usdc out on Monday to see if anything was said and put it back on Tuesday morning, nobody mentioned anythingGood evening. I trade here frequently and have had no issues with withdrawals, earning a decent profit.
From what you’re saying, it seems you’re doubtful, and that’s without even trying to withdraw your funds. I think you should make a withdrawal before making any judgment. It’s about being responsible to yourself and to others, or perhaps you’re simply trying to mislead people.
I’m in the Innovative Captial Currents VIP 131 Group. Charlie Wilson and Elena Petrova appear to be the admins of this group.
There are red and green flags, and they appear to have SEC registration (like FCA) and are based out of San Jose.
From this topic of message its hard to know exactly if it is a scam or not?
I have seen so many red flags the past 2 weeks.
1- pushing to have the best outcome by upping funds. It’s what scammers do.
2- Elena has been giving me a few bits about her life but it doesn’t add up and I believe she is a bot. (Until I am cashed out, I’m not planning to share any details.)
3- I tried to withdraw some of my funds over the past few days as I got caught up with adding more in to get a high return (everybody showing off on the group but I now believe they are bots as people always post in the same order). Starts with the same 2/3 “people” with larger portfolios. Anyways my funds were blocked!!! 🚫 so no withdrawal.
4- checked the group and there are several numbers for Elena, Charlie Wilson and The prof. Why?!
5- 2 members have been pushing to trade solo and egging the group on to join. One person in particular is very thorough on graph details, large capital etc and I believe he is a bot as one day he messaged me privately to find out if I liked the system and also he sent me an invest opportunity. I missed the signal and he was annoyed about it. Like I was taking advantage of his knowledge yet I didn’t ask for it. I think it’s just one big setup.
I genuinely think they will use people like minions to use their own money to trade and then refuse to take the money out of Will shit it down and bank it for themselves.I’d defo be aware as it is too good to be true!
Elena told me she was a Bulgarian but lives in America when not in the uk
She did call me when her Telegram account got blocked so I don’t think she is a bot
Did you get a reason for your funds being blocked ?
They say they don’t have any access to the trading apps , my only concern is you need an invitation code when setting the app up , so I wonder if this gives them access.
I am sceptical as most on this group but have moved my funds both ways a few times without any problems, I send to my trust wallet as they weren’t keen sending to Revolut and it got blocked as a security risk .I am also in this group & I have been observing now for about 1 month, I did their $1500 testing & earned a profit of $300, I withdrew the profit with no issues tall & have been considering trading with $2k but have not sent any funds to NDAE PRO APP as I have had serious doubts as like most people in this discussion found very little information about Halyna or an
y of professors. Think I will keep watching before transferring any Dollars!I participated in the 1500 beta test. Earned over 200 profit. Sold the pfit tokens i had won in the lotteries, bought eth with it and transferred it to my wallet which surprised me no end…
100%a very sophisticated scam. They have now ramped up the anti offering cash bonuses eg 5% if deposit 100k or 7.5% if deposit 200k to their crypto exchange.
The withdrawals will be encouraging on small VC amounts . Once invest the large amount it’s frozen.
Be very careful.Hi all
I’ve been following a wattsapp group and reached the same conclusion that I believe it to be a scam.
I have followed a few trades which seen ok and more frequent before I joined. Now it all seems to be about investing in ETH and promising strong returns.
I also sent 6 direct messages to members of tge group asking on experiences and only one reply which didn’t seem right to me.
I also sent messages to the group with mo replys which rises my suspicion.
What are your thoughtsHi all
I’ve been following a wattsapp group and reached the same conclusion that I believe it to be a scam.
I have followed a few trades which seen ok and more frequent before I joined. Now it all seems to be about investing in ETH and promising strong returns.
I also sent 6 direct messages to members of tge group asking on experiences and only one reply which didn’t seem right to me.
I also sent messages to the group with mo replys which rises my suspicion.
What are your thoughtsI bought ethereum with my funds then transferred that to my coinbase wallet.
Hi
I’ve been in the groups for about 2 months and on reading this tread on Monday decided it was time to try and withdraw my funds from the QOC app. I had around $5k worth of pit which around $1k was profit and had another $11k in my futures trading account again with around $1k worth of profit.
I swapped all my usd to SOL and requested the withdrawal to another exchange. After sweating on it for around 30mins my withdrawal was processed and my money now safe in another exchange. I’m still not sure whether this is a scam or not? If it is a scam why did they let me withdraw my funds!?Because there looking for the big investments… Give you a couple withdrawals to gain confidence and then see the returns. Put a much larger amount in
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