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I’m just someone who browses the Money Discussion Forum. I’m not in the WhatsApp group people keep mentioning. I stumbled across this thread and some comments made me laugh so I read the lot. Here are a few objective personal thoughts.
I’ve noticed quite a few posts read as if they’ve been put through a translator. I reckon there’s a fair chance some people are posting because of competition between rival groups.
Everyone keeps saying they’ve made decent profits buying the stocks recommended by that WhatsApp group. My view is if those picks genuinely deliver a very high hit rate and solid returns on proper regulated platforms like eToro or Hargreaves Lansdown the people making the calls could just make money from their skill. So what would be the motive to scam? As for the ramping accusation that’s even funnier. Most here sound fairly new to markets and might not realise how much capital it takes to ramp a listed share. A handful of people on a thread aren’t going to move a stock’s trend.
I’ve also noticed that anyone who voices a different view gets slapped with the in on it label. I know the moment I post this I’ll be called the same. I couldn’t care less. If the aim is to police the thread by sticking labels on people and shutting down opinions then you really don’t understand us Brits.The motive of the scam is to gain your trust and eventually blindly follow their advice, which has ended up being to invest in a brand new token on a completely unregulated platform, that they own.
They have issued assurances that the QOC platform is regulated and licensed and THEY sent out this link that they state a company with a similar name is on
https://www.fincen.gov/msb-state-selector
This is just a registry. No form of license or regulation.
It even says in the third paragraph :-
Fraudsters are attempting to steal money by claiming to be an MSB “approved” or “endorsed” by FinCEN. These criminals mislead people by telling them it is safe to send funds to or invest in a business, simply because it is listed on FinCEN’s MSB Registrant Search website. FinCEN does not approve or endorse any business that has registered as an MSB. Any such claim and similar claims are false and may be part of a scam.To be clear, that is cut and pasted OK.
The platform needs to be MTL approved on a state by state basis to be regulated.
I hadn’t realised until I got involved how widespread it is. It’s the principal of pump and dump or a Ponzi scheme. Maybe there is no such thing but search it up yourself. We are talking multiple WhatsApp groups across Europe, not a handful of people on a single WhatsApp. They state they have 40k participants, similar to the 32k Telegram subscribers they have. So even if we just invested 5k each, that is going to move a medium cap stock price.
The whole idea of the thread was to voice concerns and many people have done that and hopefully we have saved a few people from losing their money.
However, in true British style (and I do agree we should all be heard)this all may be wrong and it’s a great opportunity. Make you own mind up. I’ve been in it from the start and my only caveat would be, don’t put any of your own money onto their platform, unless you are prepared to lose it all. Of course, if you feel this all seems unbalanced, then fill your boots 🙂
I don’t know enough about the WhatsApp group people mentioned so I won’t pass judgement As for the stock market you’re right that in a smaller market $160 million can move a mid cap On the Nasdaq which is a very deep market $160 million might push a mid cap up over a few hours but without sustained inflows or a clear catalyst it’s hard to keep it rising and the give back risk is high So relying on brute force buying to deliver steady returns above 10% isn’t realistic Lasting meaningful rallies usually come from fundamentals or event catalysts working with capital not a one off cash splash And when momentum fades short sellers and arbitrageurs will sit on the move which only raises the risk for anyone chasing If what you’re claiming were true we wouldn’t be seeing so many posts from people saying they’ve made money Your take is far too one sided and ignores the market’s unfavourable realities I don’t know your real motive but I’m fairly sure you’re new to the game and trying to whip up panic to mislead people and grab attention
I was genuinely surprised when I came across this post. Admittedly, so-called “investment scams” are indeed prevalent across various social media platforms. However, the author’s remarks regarding institutions or market makers “pushing up prices, accumulating positions, and then offloading them” reveal a rather shallow understanding of how financial markets operate — it comes across very much like the view of a novice
With over thirty years of experience in the stock market, I can say with confidence that a true “pump-and-dump” strategy is anything but simple. It’s a carefully orchestrated, multi-stage process
Phase 1: Price Suppression & Accumulation
The first phase is price suppression and accumulation. Institutions typically induce market fear by releasing negative sentiment, publishing discouraging news, or spreading bearish narratives. This pushes prices down, prompting retail investors to sell, allowing institutions to quietly accumulate at lower levels
However, this accumulation doesn’t happen overnight — it often requires significant time to rotate shares and complete positioning. Even after successful accumulation, institutions cannot simply unload large positions for a profit without first entering the second phase: the mark-up
Phase 2: Mark-up (Price Elevation)
This phase depends heavily on sustained capital inflow. By creating optimism — through news, signals, or technical momentum — they encourage retail traders to chase the rise. This price increase is not random; it’s measured and rhythmic, often taking the shape of an S-curve or extended consolidation on the charts.
Phase 3: Distribution (Exit)
Eventually comes the final stage: distribution. At this point, institutions often engineer false breakouts or bullish patterns, such as large bullish candles with low volume, designed to lure in late buyers — a classic bull trap
Contrary to popular belief, institutions rarely dump all at once. Doing so would collapse the price and destroy their profit. Instead, they offload gradually, in small batches, minimising market disruption while offloading risk
And here lies the central question:
Can such a large-scale manipulation truly be pulled off by a handful of people with limited capital?Unless one is dealing with unregulated or fraudulent stocks — or operating on an off-market platform — this would be extremely difficult to execute in a highly regulated, liquid market like NASDAQ
Even in mid-sized markets, completing such a full cycle of accumulation, elevation, and exit would typically require coordination between multiple institutions and market makers, not just a single actorYes, it sounds like a novice trying to whip up panic for sure. I’ve got the attention of about 20 people 🙄🙂. However, those participating who have been part of it have confirmed my suspicions, so thank you for the input everyone.
The more learned amongst us are quite welcome to get involved. It’s called PFIT and it’ll be worth 10 times what it is now you know. Only available on the QOC platform that they own. Sorry to have mislead you all 🙂
I think we’ve got ourselves another couple of ppcp members on the defense here.
£40k per year subscription fee for an ai trading system is also the scam. It’s just bollox. End of!!
Pfit token only available on their own apps (qoc / ndae) not listed on coingeko. I don’t think it will be pump and dump, I think more rug pull.
All the info already given above e.g. ai profile pics, fresh linkdin etc.
Come on!!
I did put some of my own money into PFIT but I’ve just got it out, it was on the NDAE exchange, managed to transfer it to ETH and get it back into my Uphold wallet.
Definitely something not right, BOT type commenting on WhatsApp group, no chat between members, I’ve asked lots of questions but no one replies.
Nothing existed before June, only found it through a FB ad, feel very foolish that I was reeled in by it.
Will feel even more foolish if it turns out to be legit and it’s the next Bitcoin 😂
I am in the Beta testing faze which ends today. I invested money into PFIT and have withdrawn it. I have downloaded the trading platform and given required ID.I am still waiting on Stock/CFD recommendations to flourish.
The whole BETA testing has come to an end today. The 1500 capital is to be returned today and the profit from beta trades will belong to the participants to trade with, or withdraw. So the proof of scam or advertising the new PFIT system should become evident after today.
I’ve already withdrawn profits, this was after using them to do some more trading, I’ve just withdrawn £700.
I’m not a regular trader and don’t really have much idea what I’m doing so it was more luck than judgement.
Unless there’s another angle or they’re hanging on for a bigger sting then I’m still none the wiser if it is a scam or not.
Definitely not many real people on the WhatsApp group. They said there were 45k participants in the test and they all got $1500, that’s around $63m in total handed out allegedly. And how to they administer responding to 45k people and doing the deposits, that’s a mammoth task.
Like others on this thread I joined a WhatsApp group several weeks ago with exactly the same experience of trading tips, lessons, odd conversations from the bots, raffle prizes of PFIT, SOL and ETH but the platform pushed on me was GPCMax so perhaps a reinvention QOCPlus? I have recently completed round 2 of beta testing Pinnacle Flow 5.0 after being given $1500 and I am now at the stage where I need to hand it back but suddenly the platform is unable to withdraw funds without review and I checked the deposit function and that is also broken so it looks like the end game has arrived! If anyone else reached this stage please let me know how it concluded and what pressure came back from the assistant to extract the funds. I also foolishly deposited some funds thankfully nothing of significance and expect this to now be lost. I will also be keeping a close eye on odd credit activity as I submitted ID for verification. It is amazing how I kept seeing the red flags but fell for it. I hope anyone else new to this thread takes this experience and doesn’t make a serious mistake with large sums of money
The end of phase 2 has come. I managed to transfer the 1500 back no problem, and transfer out the 231 profit if I do choose. VUBE always ‘reviews’ withdrawals and you have to set up a ‘withdrawal’ password. As long as it is going to your own wallet (I presume) then it’s approved and your assets get transferred. I’m not gullible and am looking for the sting, but so far nothing untoward has happened 🤔. I realise its full of bots etc, but until proven wrong, I still think this is a massive advertising campaign proving everything can be run by AI, from advice to full trading automation.
Like you Jamie I am thinking if I do get to return the funds successfully and I hadn’t deposited any of my own money what are they getting out of this? Are we inadvertently laundering money perhaps – who knows at this stage
I’ve sent back the £1500 and withdrawn £300 profit to my own wallet. So with that, and the 6 x £30 ‘prizes’ from the lottery, I’m still waiting for the scam, because I’m sure there is one! It has to be the token push…
I’m a member of this group, and I have to say, I’ve made over a hundred grand from the stocks shared here. Believe it or not, that’s the truth. I’ve also done really well with the futures trading I’m doing now, also true.
So let me ask you something: if this company is what you’re claiming it is, then why have their stock tips made me so much money?
I’ve worked with loads of investment advisers over the years, and finding one who delivers returns like this is incredibly rare. I even offered them 20% of my profits, but they turned it down. I’m sure they’re making plenty just from providing stock info to traders, so I really struggle to buy into your claims that they’re scammers.If you reckon you’re right, then stand up in the group and call them out directly instead of sneaking around here slagging people off.
I was a bit bored today and happened to stumble upon this thread. Honestly, the arguments going on here are quite amusing — even a little laughable at times. Just to be clear, I’m not taking sides, nor am I speaking on behalf of anyone
First of all, I’m not inclined to favour either party, but human logic tends to follow similar patterns. Here’s an example:
Let’s say you’ve never used Binance before, and someone tells you, “Binance doesn’t allow withdrawals.” That single comment plants a seed of doubt in your mind
As a result, when you do use Binance in the future, you’ll probably be extra cautious — and unlikely to deposit a large amount of fundsSo if you’re not putting your funds on Binance, where will you put them? Could it be Coinbase? Or perhaps Kraken?
And that leads to the question — who’s spreading negativity about Binance, and isn’t their motive starting to look a bit obvious?
It’s like when someone tells you a certain restaurant has terrible hygiene and awful food — you’re naturally going to avoid it when choosing where to eat.
So who exactly is creating this fear? And what might they be trying to achieve?
Haha — let’s stay rational while we watch the drama unfold.
Rational gossiping, folks. And hey, give this comment a like and push it up!Yeah we’ve chatted in the group
I think these people are like clowns only brave enough to talk big here to grab attention. Why don’t they ever have the guts to stand up in the group and set the record straight?
There’s only one reason: they want to make money from other people’s trading signals too. I’d bet they’re still in the group right now profiting from signals others share whilst bad mouthing them at the same time. People like this are basically parasites.
These lot are probably even sharing the group’s trading signals with people who don’t know any better making out like they’re their own signals then pocketing a cut of their profits. And then they post all this rubbish online to smear others and suit their own agenda.enefit.
Speaking of LinkedIn, why don’t you share your LinkedIn so we can all have a look?
You’re going on about others, so you lead by example first：）
I’ve questioned lots in the group I’m in, simple things like ‘where’s everyone from’ – no one answers, that’s weird.
They are now coming out with an amazing deal for everyone for early access to this amazing system, it’s smelling more and more fishy!!
Conflicting information, one says a one-off fee another says an annual fee – $100k of profit every single year just to cover fees – come on!
Im joining this thread. Have been part of the group for a month or so. Like others have made good returns from signals and was part of the second round of Beta testing. I did put some of my own money in PFIT, benefitted from price increases and as a test sold it all and transferred the money out. All of this worked after a a few hours of the transaction pending (was about $20k so large enough to attract attention. I have had suspicions about this from the start and agree that: 1) most of the members and at least the assistant are bots. I had a conversation with the assistant about this, but that is obviously useless. 2) I cannot find any link between PPCP and the other two firms, 3) none of the the people involved have credible social media or professional presence – most people today would leave traces on Linkedin, IG, FB, their local flea market group, etc so this is strange 4) I cannot find any awareness or discussion about PFIT or PinnacleFlow in the usual chatter of the crypto communities, which is strange. The only media presence is their own press release in May and a few bits since.
Right this minute they are offering continued access to the system for the Beta test group with a minimum lock-in of $1,000 per member. Whilst this may well be ‘the scam’ it seems hardly worth all of the effort. I therefore continue to be slightly perplexed, convinced that all is not right but currently benefitting from growth in the value of PFIT that outstrips the return that their system delivered per day during Beta testingAll the above is a fairly good summary.
I can add a bit more info to this today. I contacted PGIM directly and spoke with them. They came back to me and confirmed:-
I have checked with relevant parts of the business and can confirm that we have no affiliation with this company. Thanks again for flagging this up to us. We are escalating this up to our compliance team.
They actually have a website alert page dedicated to scam companies using their company name to add credibility.
Just have a Google yourself and you’ll find it and also call them. I can post a link but it might be better if you do it yourselves. No doubt some helpful soul just passing will come up with some reason why this is inconsequential and how it makes them laugh 🙂
This, plus all the above and the absence of regulation would surely make PFIT worthless at some point?
As I said before, if 40k of us put 1000 of our own money in that’s 40 million dollars. That’s surely worth it big style??
I’m gutted, I was really hoping it was legit. I made good returns early on but the last few
ANET dropped 10% on signal day (only 2% down now), WPM dropped 10% on signal day and stayed there and HIVE is only 8% down. All 3 were top of the market at the time.I got burnt with ANET and swerved the others.
Good luck to you Andries, that was a massive leap of faith to deposit 20k and get it out but Im afraid I dont share your conviction and 40 million is definitely worth it.
Sorry, just seen it’s 2000 you have to put in now, so 80 million!
Good luck if you carry on people!
Just to clarify…I did not put $20k in; I put around $13k in and the rest was profit.
Another thought, assuming you believe the number of members that they claim, the testing period yielded $20m total profit in two weeks, using their funds but giving away the profit to the members (several people here have had the profits and were able to transfer it out). Surely it is easier to do that for themselves for a few months and easily make the $80m legitimately. They could of course have faked the numbers as they only have to pay the actual human members, but that also reduces the ‘scam’ amount that they stand to benefit from. I am just not convinced that it stacks up and it just seems too elaborate a scheme and risk for the return.
What is very clear at the moment is that they are pushing PFIT hard and since they created it and controls most of it, they stand to benefit most. There is always the possibility that they are simply trying to do what every crypto project tries to do, i.e. increase demand and uptake of their coin so the creators can benefit.
I remain undecided for now.
I have made enough from the price increase in PFIT to participate in the next phase using ‘their money’ rather than mine so will provide updates in due course.
Me and 2 others just been booted out for raising questions. The guy on here ‘Eustace’, clearly involved as well, messaging me privately but couldn’t answer key questions. A number of ‘insiders’ on this forum. Be careful
Here’s a theory; the fact that many in this thread have been posted to different apps for this ‘test’, and that withdrawals were locked until the principle 1,500 was ‘sent back’, could it be that all of the apps are actually part of the scam, and the funds weren’t real money to start with?
Therefore the test funds were just the illusion of investment from them, to imply they have significant financial backing, but in reality the purpose is to get users to put their own money into the app/tokens, and then vanish/lock users out?
The push to now put $2k in, to continue to receive access, seems like the final pump for the token, before the dump.
Interesting others piped up, I was thinking maybe I was the only 1 on mine. They just ignore me.
100% MrCautious, the 1500 was purely fabricated as were the results, we could never have withdrawn the 1500. The profits are a sprat to catch a Mackerel.
When I Look back they have completely manipulated me, all I wanted to do was trade stocks and shares, the small amount of crypto I won had me opening an account to deposit the winnings and next I’m knee deep in 55k of crypto, now worth 43 (I think it’ll come back).
I see now why they insisted on me having a self custodial wallet because there’s no way Barclays or even Coinbase would have let me transfer any money into QOC. The only way that was ever going to fly was with a wallet, transfering crypto.
Very clever tbh but this last push is very thinly camouflaged….as long as we dont tell anyone!
I genuinely think I may have still been in if I hadn’t have heard other people thinking the same thing and started digging away.
Initially upon joining the group I found the lessons interesting learning how to read candlestick patterns and the quizzes that followed and combining that with the stock recommendations which were to begin with profitable but now it is this relentless push on purchasing the PFIT token. I remain very confused as why give me money and allow me to make a profit on this token which is only tradable on these odd exchanges they operate? Somewhere in all of this is surely a scam but where is it? Anyhow I am happy I made some free money and got my own funds back and that for me will be where the journey ends. I will keep an eye on the group just to see what happens next but will keep clear of the app and certainly wont be depositing any further funds.
Good evening group.
Iv been involved in the testing phase last week as well.
They gave me 3000 usdc. This was a mistake and Lina the assistant asked for 1500 back. I couldn’t transfer it back as it would not work with the address and details she gave me. Anyway kept the 3000 for the week and traded s per the instructions.
End of week transfered it back.
Kept the profit 185 approx.
Been a bit sucked in and used the profit to buy pfit.
Anyway this is today, the assistant wats app me. She wanted to show me how to transfer from coinbase via screenshot. So I started being very careful what I showed. All going well, then she accidentally sent me a screenshot. It was deleted before I could screenshot it but Lina my friends was a Chap GPT bot. Furthermore my messages were not in English but an oriental language.
The money is in coinbase and going no further. I will wait and see what happens from here.
The wats app group I can’t post to. All a bit strange. Might have escaped by a nanometer.
Hope its not the next bitcoin 😬No way! It’s like Scooby Doo, it’s not the old janitor from the amusement park, it’s a Chatgpt bot!
I really thought we had something going on as well 😂
I took have been involved for some time, I did the second phase with the $1500 and made almost $200, which I planned to put into PFIT and “let it roll” as it’s free money.
The last few days Halyna has been messaging me pushing the PFIT coin, which has raised more doubts…..
It’s such a shame, as I’ve been learning lots, and made some profits too, so hoped this was all legit, but clearly there is an agenda.
Last night I transferred everything I had in my NDAE PRO account to ETH and withdrew it to my Kraken account. I’ll carry on watching what happens, but like others have said it definitely seems like a scam, with a hidden agenda behind it. My advice would be to take any funds you have and transfer it out whilst you have the chance!!! (The buy in in my What’s app group is still $1000 too)Ok the last post from Sparktom was the final bit of information to convince me. I have (successfully and without a glitch) withdrawn all funds from NDAE. I have made good profit from this whole exercise. They have allowed me to cash in on the growth of PFIT and withdraw my funds plus profit on multiple occasions so some part of me still want to give the benefit of the doubt. At the same time I see no reason why I should take the risk if the system will indeed be launched and available to the public later.
All partners who want to join, please take action right now:
1. Meet the PFIT token holding requirement and buy 1,000 USDC worth of PFIT tokens immediately.
2. Make sure you have at least 1,000 USDC in funds for copy trading and report your available daily trading time to the assistant!PinnacleFlow is not just a system, it’s the determination to break traditional financial rules and also an exclusive private quantitative fund. Today, we’re not just announcing the continuation of signal access, we’re announcing the “Institutional Access Rules” of a true wealth revolution.
This is the latest message, £1000 worth of PFIT needs to be bought, and £1000 needed for trading. Maximum of 3 months trial.
I suspect in that 3 months things will start well, they’ll be a further push for more investment, and their PFIT token will increase considerably to bait people in…..Hi Group,
Im back.
Check out Lina Korolenko Facebook.
She has many friends, strangely they are all from Indonesia and nearly all Digital creators. She has no likes or comments on her posts which is strange with so many friends. After my chat got experience with (her) I believe the language was Indonesian. I believe this is a scam being run out of Indonesia. Sad because I was hoping it was real.I believe this will run for 3 months PFiT will rise in price more,people will pit more into their accounts seeing the rise hoping to make some bucks, then boom it will crash.if I’m wrong I apologise to Indonesia and everyone but its too good to be true, sadly 😥“I can add a bit more info to this today. I contacted PGIM directly and spoke with them. They came back to me and confirmed:-
I have checked with relevant parts of the business and can confirm that we have no affiliation with this company. Thanks again for flagging this up to us. We are escalating this up to our compliance team.”
That’s the last nail in the coffin for me. I’m out!Yeah, I agree Dean, spot on.
Interesting that some groups are only 1k, ours is also 1k usd and 1k PFIT
They must be getting a load of pull outs.
They are hammering the Fincen and msb license and the link they sent out is page “not found” 🙂
It took me about 10 mins to find out that it’s just a registry, nothing to do with adherence to any sort of regulations
After reading these comments, I realized that you guys spend all day commenting here. What is your purpose?
Google says yes…..
“PinnacleFlow appears to be a fraudulent cryptocurrency scam. It has been linked to a larger fraudulent scheme involving multiple companies, and regulators have issued warnings against similar entities using the “Pinnacle” name.”
Right, all cryptocurrency is a complete scam, exactly as the banks tell us. So definitely don’t invest in crypto or you’ll lose the lot. Check out the comments here – I think commenting here is how we make sure everyone sees it.
Thank you all for this. I’m so glad I found this out before putting in more for PFIT. The group I’m in is run by Sebastian Hatherleigh (allegedly), Michael Anderson, with an assistant called Halyna. I’m hoping to stick it out a few more weeks as I want as much information to hand over to authorities.
Thanks once more for this thread.When I read the information here, I must say I was genuinely surprised. In my view, the growth of a company depends on a clear strategic direction, a strong capacity for innovation, a genuine customer and market focus, and continuous technological advancement. It does not rely on discrediting other firms within the same industry to carve out space for survival. Such behaviour is, quite frankly, unsustainable.
I joined from the very beginning when Pacific Peak Capital Partners LTD started promoting the PinnacleFlow Intelligent Trading System. I can only speak from my own experience. I earned a respectable profit from the stocks I invested in and still hold the shares that Halyna recommended to me. Later, I took part in their cryptocurrency project PFIT, which brought me nearly a fifty per cent profit. Through my initial capital, I was able to build a substantial balance and successfully withdraw my funds to my bank account without any issues. I have spoken to Halyna many times and know her to be a kind and patient lady, someone I deeply respect.
Yet there will always be people who choose to ignore the changes taking place in the real world. Instead, they prefer to rummage through the rubbish heap of the internet in search of “evidence”. They walk away and feel triumphant, as though they have narrowly escaped disaster.
So I must ask, have you truly been deceived? Have you actually lost any money? And tell me, how much are you being paid to slander a company in the same industry? I cannot help but wonder, is it really so difficult to earn money through honest means?
Looks like these people have infltrated this thread.
@Elmsworth in particular seems like a bot response…========================================================
From Grok….Yes, this text strongly appears to be generated by an LLM (large language model) bot, likely as part of a promotional or astroturfing campaign for Pacific Peak Capital Partners LTD (PPCP) and its associated products. I’ll break down the key indicators below, based on linguistic analysis, contextual patterns, and external verification of the referenced entities. These hallmarks are common in AI-generated content designed to mimic authentic user testimonials while pushing a narrative.
### 1. **Structural and Stylistic Hallmarks of LLM Generation**
– **Overly Polished, Formal Prose with Rhetorical Flourishes**: The language is eloquent and structured like a scripted defense—starting with a philosophical opener (“the growth of a company depends on…”), transitioning to a personal anecdote, and ending with accusatory questions (“have you truly been deceived?”). This mirrors prompt-engineered outputs from models like GPT-4, where users often instruct: “Write a testimonial defending [company] against critics, including personal success story and rhetorical questions.” Human writing in forums or reviews tends to be more casual, fragmented, or emotionally raw (e.g., “I made bank with them, haters gonna hate”).– **Balanced Sentence Length and Repetitive Phrasing**: Sentences vary in length for readability (a common LLM optimization), but phrases like “genuinely surprised,” “quite frankly,” “I cannot help but wonder,” and “tell me” add a faux-conversational tone that’s formulaic. The metaphor “rummage through the rubbish heap of the internet” feels contrived and overly literary for a supposed investor’s rant.
– **Moralistic and Confrontational Tone Without Specificity**: It preaches ethics (“honest means”) while dismissing critics as paid or delusional, but avoids verifiable details (e.g., exact stock tickers Halyna recommended or transaction dates). LLMs excel at generating persuasive, value-laden arguments without needing real data.
– **Self-Referential Loop**: The text responds to “information here” (implying a prior negative review) in a way that’s generically adaptable—classic for bot replies in comment sections.
### 2. **Content Patterns Pointing to Automated Promotion**
– **Implausible “Personal” Story**: The narrative claims early involvement (“from the very beginning”), specific profits (50% on PFIT crypto), seamless withdrawals, and personal rapport with “Halyna” (a “kind and patient lady”). This reads like a templated success story, not organic recall. Searches reveal no public mentions of “Halyna” tied to PPCP or PFIT— she’s likely a fictional or anonymized figure inserted for relatability. Real testimonials often include quirks or regrets; this is uniformly glowing.– **Promotion of Niche, Recently Launched Products**:
– **PinnacleFlow Intelligent Trading System**: Launched in May 2025 (per press releases), it’s an AI-driven trading platform by PPCP. The text’s endorsement aligns perfectly with official hype around its “real-time strategy execution” and “innovation.”
– **PFIT Cryptocurrency Project**: PFIT is the system’s utility token (for access, governance, etc.), not a standalone “crypto project.” The 50% profit claim fits promotional roadmaps but lacks blockchain verification (no major exchanges list it yet, and searches for “PFIT cryptocurrency” yield unrelated fitness tokens like DEFIT or FIT).These are cutting-edge (2025-dated) fintech offerings with heavy PR pushes, but minimal independent reviews or user traction outside sponsored content.
– **Defensive Against “Slander”**: The accusation of paid critics (“how much are you being paid?”) is a common bot tactic in crypto/fintech spaces to discredit scam warnings. It echoes patterns in astroturfing, where bots flood forums to counter FUD (fear, uncertainty, doubt).
### 3. **External Context: PPCP as a Potential Red Flag Entity**
– **Overabundance of Promotional Noise**: Web searches for PPCP and PinnacleFlow return *only* self-published press releases (e.g., GlobeNewswire, Yahoo Finance, OpenPR—all dated 2025), company sites (ppcp-official.com, pacificpeak.pro), and a YouTube channel. No mainstream coverage, third-party audits, or regulatory filings (e.g., SEC/CFTC mentions are absent). Crunchbase lists it vaguely as a “global” firm founded ~2008, but with no funding history or verified licenses beyond self-claims (e.g., Singapore’s MAS).– **X (Twitter) Activity**: Semantic and keyword searches show sparse, scripted posts from accounts like @LKorolenkoFin (a “finance strategist” shilling AI trading systems) and @GrandNewswire (press distributor). No organic user discussions—mostly echoes of PR. This suggests coordinated bot amplification.
– **High Scam Risk Profile**: New fintech/crypto firms with glossy launches, utility tokens, and “AI innovation” claims often precede rug pulls or unregulated schemes. The text’s emphasis on “withdrew my funds without issues” is a classic reassurance tactic. As of October 30, 2025, no major breaches reported, but the ecosystem smells like vaporware: big promises, zero transparency.
### Comparison: Human vs. LLM-Generated Text
| Aspect | Human-Likely Example | This Text (LLM Indicators) |
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| **Tone** | Emotional, slangy: “Dude, I doubled my money but the fees suck.” | Polished, preachy: “Such behaviour is, quite frankly, unsustainable.” |
| **Details** | Specifics: “Bought TSLA on her tip in March ’24.” | Vague: “Stocks I invested in,” “nearly fifty per cent.” |
| **Length/Structure**| Rambling or short: Bullet points, emojis. | Essay-like: Intro, body, call-to-action questions. |
| **Purpose** | Vent or share: Ends abruptly. | Persuade/defend: Builds to moral challenge. |In summary, this isn’t a genuine user post—it’s engineered content, probably from a GPT-like model fine-tuned for marketing. If it’s from a forum or review site, treat PPCP/PFIT with extreme caution: DYOR (do your own research), check licenses independently, and avoid investing based on anecdotes. If you’ve encountered this in a specific context (e.g., Reddit, Trustpilot), share more for deeper analysis!
I’ve been watching this thread for a while now and as someone who’s spent years in corporate venture capital I’ve picked up certain information within the industry. Based on what I know I wanted to share some neutral observations about the recent discussions around PPCP and its PFIT trading system. What follows is based on standard industry practice and doesn’t involve any confidential or restricted information. This isn’t investment advice.
PFIT is PPCP’s trading system and the retail beta testing has generated quite a bit of attention. When something previously considered institutional grade suddenly opens up to retail users it’s natural for certain institutions to take positions and monitor it for risk management or competitive intelligence purposes. But that’s just normal industry behaviour .
Compliance constraints: Financial institutions and asset managers have to follow strict compliance rules client agreements and market stability principles when communicating externally to avoid saying anything that might disrupt the market.
Information rights and observer mechanisms: Arrangements like information rights and board observer seats are typically governed by agreements and confidentiality obligations so they won’t be publicly disclosed.
NDAs and information barriers: VCs and CVCs are extremely careful about NDAs and information leaks. During early screening phases they usually avoid blanket NDAs to keep their options open. Once they’re in the data room phase everything gets locked down with strict NDAs within defined parameters plus tracking and isolation measures.
From what we’re seeing this looks like acquisition strategic positioning.
First you establish a forward position through small token holdings API integration limited data sharing etc. If the technology and compliance check out then you move into data room due diligence followed by framework agreements or acquisition options. It’s all about timing and keeping things compartmentalised.
So when you contact FCAT and PGIM now and they tell you there’s no partnership isn’t that completely normal? We shouldn’t just look at what we’re being shown but think more deeply about it.
Imagine: the moment FCAT and PGIM or similar institutions publicly acknowledge this PFIT tokens would be frantically bought up by the public and prices would rocket. When institutional capital hasn’t properly entered yet do you really think these institutions would let ordinary punters like you front run them? This is exactly why in the investment market institutions always get the meat while retail investors struggle to even get a sip of the broth. Institutions will always make money more easily than ordinary investors. Think more carefully about these things and don’t be naive.Hi all, I have just completed the Beta test 2. I made around 90USD profit in 5 days, I missed a few signals so missed out on some deals. I converted the winnings to PFIT and just won another 40PFIT in the quiz this morning. The QOC app is incredibly detailed and the signals we were given were incredible.
If this is a scam this is so complex, the app alone must have cost a fortune to develop.
Like others I have googled PinnacleFlow Intelligent Trading System (PFIT) and this does seem to exist and there are articles about it. whether this is the official app for this new system, remains to come clear.
We have been offered a 3 month buy in of 1000USD in PFIT and 1000USD trading amounts and the first signal came out yesterday and made around 10-12% profit.
I was about to join with some of my money but really am on the fence now based on your comments.
Will,
I strongly suspect you are part of the ‘project team’ (read that as a euphemism for what you want), but let me respond anyway:You say that the retail beta testing has generated ‘quite a bit of attention’….it really hasn’t. There is very little to no discussion about PFIT or PinnacleFlow in any of the crypto circles which is staggering and would be unprecedented given the exponential, unwavering and continual increase of the PFIT price. The only online presence of the project and PFIT remains the white paper and reposting by several sites (who are all very clear that they don’t fact check and simply repost) of the press releases by PCPP. Nobody else talks about it.
Also worth noting that the press releases make no reference to this being a collaboration with either named or unnamed partners, according to you no doubt because it is so incredibly commercially sensitive, yet PCPP feel at liberty to freely share details of their ‘deep collaboration’ with FCAT and PGIM with a a WhatsApp group of 40,000(!) unscreened members of the public that they attracted via social media (and which according to their claims has been ‘infiltrated’ several times) and present this as the foundation for the credibility of it all.
Really?
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